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This podcast discusses an event describing possible contact from someone after death and its possible connection to quantum physics. I failed to mention that this contact came twenty years after that death, but ONLY when I passed over the exact location of that accident, hence my question of whether quantum physics could be involved.

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Good evening from Southeast Asia. This will be episode number 167. I hope I

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hope I didn't screw that up. There's a metal block there. I'm sorry. You know,

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com or or did I say that correctly? Alien anal probe podcast. You can search for

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that. Yeah, okay. Whatever. Whatever. Okay. Normally we have a giant collection of

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stories and tales and reports and claims and shit like that. I back to swearing. I

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don't give a... I don't care. Oh, I got a problem. I got a bug. Bug. Southeast

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Asia. We got bugs. Okay. They go on the computer and they screw things up. We

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normally have a big... Well, we have a big collection. Okay. Normally we go through

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there are a big collection of alien reports and tonight we're not gonna...

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You know, and now for something entirely new. Okay. I don't know where that line

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came from. I remembered. I liked it. I always thought I was gonna use it. Wasn't

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I didn't... Oh man. I can't remember the name of the movie. Doesn't matter. Does it?

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I'm rambling because sometimes I enjoy it. I don't know what the hell. It's

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liberating to be crazy. I like it. Okay. We're gonna do something

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really, really different tonight and there's a reason for it. I'm not gonna do

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no alien crap all night tonight. So, if you're looking only for aliens, you

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know, go to the next one or the one before or something. I think this is the

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only one I've ever done that is not about aliens. But it is... It's kind of sort of

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weirdly related somehow in a weird way. Okay. I've been getting into quantum

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physics a little bit as much as my teeny tiny brain can absorb. And that's, you

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know, like pouring water onto a rock and just hoping some of it soaks in

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somewhere. Well, it's probably not going to. But, you know, you might get the odd

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molecule will go down through some little crack in the rock or something

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like that. You know, maybe. But I'm interested in it. I'm interested in

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quantum physics. It could be way more interesting and way more important for

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humanity than aliens ever dreamed of being. I don't know. It's really, really

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weird stuff. Multiple universes and multiple iterations of ourselves,

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depending on choices we make in our daily life. And, holy crap, well, I was

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listening to a guy last night and just for a second, maybe three, three, four

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seconds, I thought I could grasp it. You know, like I could feel it, like I could

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understand it. I mean, man, I don't know. It's very cool stuff. I have always

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separated, completely separated the notion of afterlife stuff, death stuff,

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souls and spirits. And the here and now reality, I've always kept it completely

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separate, just totally. Just apples, not even apples and oranges. It was like

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apples and locusts, you know, just so different that they weren't even in the

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same universe. I mean, literally not in the same universe. But maybe, I don't know.

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I mean, my little reptile brain is just spinning in there trying to

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figure this stuff out. Quantum physics, maybe, I don't want to say it, can be

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related maybe even directly to the life. Well, it is directly related to the life

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experience, but maybe it's also related to the death experience. I don't know, but

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I'm starting to wonder about it. And it's, it's paining me greatly. I mean, really,

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you know, for those with a big brain, I don't know. I guess it's a snap. I

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had a friend, his IQ was 180 or something like that, but I think it was

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180. I mentioned it before, he got bored with the Mensa Club, you know. I said,

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oh, you're a bunch of losers, you know. He dropped out. You know, my IQ on my best

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day was 141. So, you know, I'm a stupid moron compared to him. And when we tried

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to talk, I didn't understand, you know, hardly anything of what he said. I tried.

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I got snippets here and there. But anyway, I think he probably would understand

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quantum physics and how it might possibly relate to life after death. So

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this episode is a paranormal thing. Okay, it's a paranormal thing. Although, you

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know, paranormal, the word paranormal almost kind of denotes something sort of

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quasi-magical. And maybe quantum physics takes away the magic and just

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turns death and life after death into nuts and bolts thing somehow. I don't

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know. But I'm gonna tell a story and it's long-ish. And I'm gonna try not to swear,

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but I'm gonna anyway. Even if there's no, you know, a really good opportunity to

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swear, I'm gonna anyway just because, you know, like some

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people, you know, they got to eat some brownies to feel good. I got to swear to

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feel good. Okay, that's... and I ain't apologizing for it. Okay, here's my story.

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And believe me, it's all gonna come together at the end. You're not gonna

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think it's going to, but it's going to. Okay, I used to be a captain and

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owner of a rescue tug. We had several boats and we went out and rescued people

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in the ocean and like that. I started doing that because I was a commercial

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fisherman and it seemed like every other night that we came in from fishing,

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there were some silly stupid yachtsmen out there waving a red flag or shooting

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flares at us or, you know, whatever the hell. And they had some teensy minor

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stupid problem that they couldn't fix. And they wanted us to tow them in. And in the

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beginning, you know, we'd pull up to him, hey how you doing, you know, talk for a

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minute and pretend like we, you know, could stomach them. And you know, we had to give

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a line and carefully stretch it out and, you know, tow them in and take them into

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their berth and stuff like that, you know. And then after about the, I don't

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know, the 11,000th one, we got to the point where they'd be out there

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shooting the flares and starting their boats on fire with their emergency

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flares and, you know, they got the red flags and the rotating lights and, you

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know, I mean we just knew that they had some kind of malfunction. We'd pass close

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along by them, we'd toss them a line and never even stop. And we usually had about a

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600-foot line and then we'd just go back to cruise power and either they got it

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attached somewhere forward by the time the line came tight or they didn't. It

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was a nylon line, it was a stretchy line, so, you know, there wasn't any jerk or

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anything to them when the line finally, when all the slack was out of it. And, you

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know, we just kept going and either they got towed in or they didn't. They had to wait

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for the next boat to come in. We just came to, you know, pretty much loath them.

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Okay, I'm sorry, loathed them. L-O-A-T-H-E-D. Oh my god. Okay, so we got tired of it and we got to

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the point after years and years and years of this where we said, hey, you want

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a tow? It's gonna be this amount. Take it or leave it. And if they even

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stuttered, we just, you know, throttled back to cruise, kept on going. So finally,

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at the end of it, at the end of my patience, I just went full Monte

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commercial and transitioned into a tug. I had done some of that work up in

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northern Canada and I liked it. It was fun. And so I just went back to it again.

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And so we towed in a lot of people and we pulled a lot of them off the beaches

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and risked them when they were sinking or on fire, whatever, you know, the

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calamity of the hour happened to be. And we did that for years and years and

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years. We also, I was also a commercial diver and we raised, I raised 131 wrecks

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at the end. That was 131 total. So, after I had gone into this full commercial, we

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came to understand the United States Coast Guard probably better than they

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understood themselves. We rescued them on two occasions once they were on a sand

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bar and once they were on, well, there's another sandbar, two sandbars, a hundred

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miles apart, different, different, you know, a couple of years apart. Geez. As a

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commercial fisherman, I had had innumerable problems with the Coast Guard.

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All of us had. I got in trouble one night, loaded down a fish, storm blew up,

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trying to make it into port, and I just kept taking water, taking water, taking

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water, just, just couldn't, the pumps couldn't keep up and, and just going

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down. That's all there was to it. I was going down. I was still five or seven

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miles out, not gonna make it in. And so I called them, you know, as the last

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resort I called them and they sent a helicopter and a helicopter dropped me a

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pump. And their pumps are pretty cool, you know, they're self-contained little

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things and they're all primed and they're ready to go. And I think they even

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warm them up for you, you know, to be sure they're gonna start. I'm not sure,

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but, but they're nice little units. And they drop one down from the helicopter

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and it came plopped on my deck and I went to crank it up and it wouldn't

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start, it wouldn't start. And I spent my whole life around pumps and little gas

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engines and shit like that and the sucker would not start. So I called them

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up and told them, oh geez, well, sorry about that. So they dropped another one

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and it wouldn't start either. And then by that time they had a, I think a 44, 41 or

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44 came alongside and they had another pump. So they threw it over to me and,

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you know, on this, across the seas and it wouldn't start. And then they had a big

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boat, I think it was an 81, 82 footer cutter came alongside. He had a pump. He

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gave it over to me. It wouldn't start. So that's four, four other pumps wouldn't

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start. They were on their own decks trying to get them started and none of

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their pumps would start. So I finally made it in under my own power with no

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pumps. I did make it. I didn't think I was gonna make it, but I did. And by the

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time I got in, I was virtually awash and I went straight to the Coast Guard dock

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because I figured, well, if it's gonna sink at the dock, you know, it's a good

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place as any. And they had, their whole float was just lined with people working

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on pumps trying to get them to start. And they didn't have any pumps that

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would start. They didn't have any of the entire station. It was that this was a

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big major Coast Guard station. They had no pumps that would run. And finally the

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janitor of that station went up and opened his trunk and took out the little

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gas-powered pump that he used for his own boat and he brought it down and we

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put it in my bilge and pumped it out, you know, in due course. Okay, well, it turned out

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that some brainiac at the Coast Guard station had filled all of these little

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gas engines with diesel. Every one of them, you know, maintenance, routine

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maintenance, talking about diesel. Okay, so they had to do an inspection on

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me and they tried to find things they could write me a ticket for and they

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couldn't and they finally gave that shit up. And next day I went home, cruised on

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home. And a couple of months later I got a letter from them and they wanted to

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know how many people had died when my ferry sank off of this port. And I

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thought, what in God's name is this? What in the hell are they talking about? And I

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was gonna, you know, explain to them, no, no, no, I didn't own a ferry. Nobody died.

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I was gonna explain all that and I thought, I thought, fuck it. No, they

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deserve this. And I marked down 27 and sent it back. I never heard from them again.

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Okay, so after I was well entrenched in the salvage rescue business, we had a

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call one night where a big king crabber had gone up, hit the rocks, hit the beach.

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It was quite a ways out, it was about 40 miles from us and it was blowing... excuse

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me, jeez, it was blowing 88 knots. So that's a hundred and... I can't do the

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conversion, 110 miles an hour or something like that. It was blowing, blowing hard.

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And these guys, they got onto the beach and the seas rolled the boat over onto

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the beach. It was like a 80-foot boat, I think. And they climbed out through a

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deck hatch and were being washed around back and forth because the boat was

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still, you know, kind of half afloat banging on this sandbar reef thing. And

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they got themselves up in the railing and so this thing is

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perfectly perpendicular. You know, the decks are vertical now and the keel

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is pointing to the sea. And they got up there and they had a handheld VHF or

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something and they called somebody and they got ahold of the Coast Guard.

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The Coast Guard sent a helicopter out there and the helicopter was supposed to

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pick them out of the railings and they couldn't. The Coast Guard said it was

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too... I guess they were icing up. Maybe that was a legitimate problem because it

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was really, really, really cold. You know, it was like, I don't know, 510 below and

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blowing a hundred and whatever, 112, whatever the hell it was. And the Coast Guard

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helicopter said they were icing up. They had to bend and leave these guys to die

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in the railing. And this boat is being swept. You know, every other sea is

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sweeping it completely. It disappears underwater and these guys are, you know,

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under the sea as the big seas go over them. And so anyway, they had a

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Coast Guard cutter, 81 or 82 foot, and they dispatched it out of our port. And

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it went out there, got about three quarters of the way there and then the

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skipper of that thing radioed in to the SAR desk at the search and

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rescue desk down in the big, big city and said, well, that's it. We're turning

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around. We're going back. These guys have to die. That's all there is to it. You

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know, we're gonna lose the boat if we keep going. And the SAR desk, we were

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listening in. We were down at the tug wondering if we should go. And we were

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listening in to all the shit and the SAR desk said, no sir, you're gonna

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go. You're not gonna turn around. You're gonna fucking go. They didn't say

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fucking, but you could hear it in their breath. And the skipper of the cutter

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said, nine, no, we're not going. We're turning around. And they went back and

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forth like that maybe ten times where the SAR desk said, look, your boat is

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built for this. That's what it's for. That's why we spent 57 billion dollars

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on this boat to go on jobs just like this one. Turn your ass around. Get out

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there and try to save these guys. And the skipper just kept saying no. And so

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at that point, we started up our tug. We were 88 feet, but it was a turn of the

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century boat, an ancient frickin' boat. Nothing near what this Coast Guard cutter

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was. Nothing near the capabilities of that thing. You know, so we're, you know,

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seven feet longer or whatever. Big deal. Anyway, we started up and we headed out

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there. We got about halfway there and we passed this cutter, him coming in and us

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going out. And it was stinking rough. It was really stinking rough. And we get out

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there and we had our share of problems. It was really, really, really stinking rough.

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I remember up in the wheelhouse of that thing and it was a full moon. Crystal

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clear skies, blown 88 knots, whatever the hell that converts to. I

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remember that very clearly because that was the length of the boat, 88 feet. And I

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remember in the wheelhouse looking out into the moonlight, full moon, and it

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looked like the the seas were about, I couldn't be correct, but it looked like

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they were like 300 yards apart. They were that frickin' huge. You know, it's like

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something you see in the North Atlantic. And so it was rough. So we went out

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there and we picked the guy. I personally went in in my suit

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through that surf and got in there and picked the guys out of the

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railing and took them into the beach, floated them in one by one. You know, they

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had no floaty, they didn't have life jackets. I had my dry suit, my

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commercial dry suit, and I took them in through the remaining part of that

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surface like 40, 50 yards maybe between where the boat had grounded out and the

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dry land. And so I took him in through that shit one by one and put him on the

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beach and they were just freezing. Just freezing cold. They had no shelter. It

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was a sandbar. And anyway, we got him in there, got him behind some driftwood, you

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know, so the wind wasn't hitting them so bad. While I was doing that, I noticed

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that my dry suit froze over. It encased itself in ice from the sea, from the

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spray from the sea. I was like a popsicle, you know, every time I went in

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the water and came out, I got another layer of ice and then it would

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melt off a little bit and then would come back and it did. Long story there,

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but I'm not gonna tell it. So we got our tug hooked to this thing on the beach

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and the engineer, he was the only one that stayed on there, he got down in the

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engine room, which is now at 90 degrees to the horizon, and he unbolted or he cut

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loose the genset or something. So it was, so it was, it went horizontal and he got

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started up. He got the freaking thing started up. And so suddenly we had

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brilliant blinding lights everywhere. It was a king crabber and and they're

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really outfitted with lights. So all of a sudden we had all this this light and it

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was a really surreal otherworldly thing to see. It was one of the most magnificent

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sights I've ever seen. The spray would would hit this thing and go, I don't

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know, 100 feet in the air and and it would and these lights would make it

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just glow and oh my god it was a it was a pretty cool thing to see. Anyway we got a

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hold of it and inch by inch by inch we had an old reversing Alice in this tug

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and inch by inch by inch by inch. I mean literally inch by inch we over the over

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course of several hours we were pretty much maximum high tide by the time we

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got hooked up to him and we just pulled and pulled and pulled and pulled and we

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pulled it off. We got it off the damn beach and whatever leaks were controlled

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and we took the guys and put them back on the boat and the prop was all screwed

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up but it would go kathumpity kathumpity kathumpity you know that's a really low

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RPMs. We stayed with them back into town and that was that job. Okay the point of

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this whole story was that my respect for the United States Coast Guard after many

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dozens of incidents like that was down there you know on a 10-foot pole it was

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down there about one or two inches okay now I know there's all kinds of people

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in the world you got saved by the Coast Guard oh my god they're heroes they're

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the greatest people on the face of the earth. Well I've seen them do good work a

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few times I have they're not totally worthless but way too many times I saw

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them do things like this and I just didn't have any respect remaining for

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them a little you know a little but just you know five stars you know maybe 10%

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of one star that's what I had left for him okay so that's where I'm coming from

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when I when we got called into this next job. It's about midnight as I recall and

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and this was some years later quite several three or four years later. We got a

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call from the Coast Guard saying that there was a salvage vessel about 10

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miles seaward from us from our port and they had a really big problem they had

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two commercial divers trapped on a wreck at a depth of 245 feet breathing

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straight air and I thought oh god for the divers among among you you know

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there's nothing else you can say you say oh god and you don't even bother to

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repeat it three or four times you just say it once oh god and your heart sinks

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but by this time I was at probably 280 or 90 rescues and probably 120 wrecks

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raised 115 120 wrecks raised something like that at this at this point when

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this call came in and I had this notion that I was pretty good and that I could

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solve you know things that other people couldn't solve and that was the fact I

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was good it was my calling in life I was good at it I did it very well I was very

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successful and by any measure but I wasn't probably as good as I thought I

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was because nobody ever is anyway I you know my heart sank when I heard this

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situation but I can do it right I can do this I can I can do it so I scrambled

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everybody and we hit the tug running literally running I remember the door to

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the wheelhouse was locked and I and I was fumbling with my keys and I dropped

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them and I thought I'll fuck this fuck this shit and I was gonna kick in the

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door because I didn't want to waste the time to pick up the keys and look for

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the proper one again because time was that freaking short so I got the door

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open and we've got everything fired up and we headed out there full speed full

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throttle we came around the last point and we looked way out to seaward and

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there we could see my god it looked like if you ever been to Burning Man at night

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that's kind of what it looked like that's how much activity was out there

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there were helicopters everywhere there were Coast Guard vessels everywhere

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there were a couple of freighters that had stopped just because this was such a

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bizarre damn thing to see and they stopped and everybody all their crews

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up along the rails and remember this is midnight and they're you know they're

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probably seven miles out to sea from from the last point you know so we're

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just going going going and we're listening to the chatter on the radio

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the helicopters are looking for any bodies if they happen to surface you know

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and stuff like that and we're thinking oh god you know let us get there before

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that happens we're about a third of the way out I think and it was a little bit

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sloppy it wasn't rough really but it was a little bit sloppy and we had to slow

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down a little bit you know so we're probably doing like seven knots maybe

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eight knots something like that and so the the boat the the the salvage vessel

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that's in trouble there they called the Coast Guard and we could hear them and

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they said hey guys these this one diver is on our compressor which is a little

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portable compressor up on the deck of our boat and and their support vessel

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was was really big it was 80 90 feet something like that and it just quit and

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we got some air in the reserve tank for this one guy who's down there but it's

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not gonna last very long we're you know we're talking a few minutes and the

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reserve tanks gonna run out and he's gonna die and we're talking to him on

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his comms unit and we're telling him this but he's at 240 245 depending on the

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tide level of tide and he doesn't really understand what we're saying he

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knows he's in trouble and he wants to come up but he can't he doesn't know why

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they had sent another guy a rescue diver down to untangle him that rescued diver

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went on scuba gear he had a single 72 cubic inch or cute I'm sorry cubic foot

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tank half full and he had only a wetsuit that was torn torn up and he had no

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comms and he had no down line and he had nothing so he put on this raggedy ass

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gear these guys never expect to use this rescue stuff so it's shit gear but he

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put it on he had balls I'll say that for him he I knew of his reputation he was a

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local idiot he worked in another city 30 40 miles from us something like that

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you know not the brightest bulb in the string but he had balls the size of

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watermelons and he put this shit on and he went down to untangle the hardhat

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guy who's who's down there and who's never seen again the hardhat guy was so

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knocked out from from nitrogen narcosis he didn't know if this guy ever showed

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up at his location he couldn't tell I remember being knocked out and I thought

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I saw a dragon and I thought no problem I can kill it because I have a sword and

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you know the dragon turned out to be a piece of equipment on the ship and this

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my sword was a crescent wrench or some fucking thing that's how

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Narcos narcosis goes so we don't know well yeah we do know what happened to

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the rescue diver he didn't have an affair to even make it to the bottom he

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had no buoyancy compensator when he ran out of air he drowned and sank to the

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bottom and nobody ever found it okay that's that's a deal with him he we

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didn't know that at that moment but ultimately that's what my positive stick

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my life on that's what happened to him so as it turned out the Coast Guard there

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was a Coast Guard cutter like hundred feet from this salvage vessel and they

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had a can of gas and so they zipped it over in a rubber boat gave it to him

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they poured it in the tank and they got the compressor to start up all within

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the space of about three or four minutes it was nothing short of miraculous and I

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and I listened to all that and I thought wow this guy's got guardian angels you

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know this is holy shit so so luck is on our side you know good things are gonna

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happen from now on and they reported back that the since the compressor had

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run out of gas it must have sucked up a bunch of dirt into the carburetor it was

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running really rough but they put somebody on it to keep fiddling with it

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keep fiddling with the keeper running baby it you know coax it along and it

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and it did it kept running but we knew that it was it probably could quit at

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any given moment so you know we're trying to contact the guys on this

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salvage vessel and figure out what fittings they're using what sizes their

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hose and on and on like this because we were making up some stuff too so we could

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minute we got there we could plug our huge compressor into their little teeny

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lawnmower engine piece of shit thing and keep this guy at least breathing you

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know maybe something else something else would kill him but at least he wasn't

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gonna drown okay so we're fiddling through all that and then and we're

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going and going and we're getting closer and closer and then we we asked him how

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long had he been down there at 240 245 breathing on the air and they said well

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two hours so far a little longer now you know maybe 220 and we're and I just

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thought it will fuck me fuck me that's just fucked up that's just fucking

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fucked up there aren't any recompression tables decompression tables to match

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those values they've never been written because nobody has ever done that nobody

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has ever been stupid enough to fucking do that so my main diver was a retired

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Navy master diver not a goddamn scuba dive master he was a retired Navy master

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diver he was one of about nine men that they used back in the day to establish

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the initial decompression tables they shoved these guys down to a depth and

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they held them and then they yanked them up and if they were bent they said they

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modified their table and they did it again and they kept doing that and so

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they stopped being bent and then they had a little padding for fat sports

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divers and they said well that ought to be good you know that was the very

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earliest original tables that's how they were formed and so we said okay you know

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come on you got it you know you got to extrapolate this curve out give us a

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time to stop this guy depth and time we needed a depth in it and a time

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assuming we could get him loose of whatever was holding him down there we

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couldn't bring him straight to the surface obviously or he would die so we

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needed to stop him at a number of stops decompression stops on the way up and our

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guy started penciling out some shit that he was also busy with was trying to set

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these fittings up that would match their fittings and stuff like that and finally

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I ended up calling Duke University back east I can't remember what states North

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Carolina South Carolina I can't remember I got I couldn't get anybody there but I

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got a security guard at Duke University which is the go-to diving university or

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at least it used to be I don't know what it is now I got a security guard there

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and this is all radio radio telephone you know in the tug as we're smashing

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through the seas and I explained to he didn't know anything about diving it you

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know this is I just explained to him this is life and death it's right fucking

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now do not fuck around do not fuck this up we need a advanced diving professor

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and we need him right fucking now we need him right fucking now you go find

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him yeah you know he's not gonna it's three o'clock in the morning there or

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whatever it was yeah I think I think that's about right three or four in the

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morning and we said you do whatever you fucking hell have to do you do it we're

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counting on you this man's life is counting on you and he didn't know what

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to do so we should call the police just call the fucking police get him there

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right now and we will talk to him and so he got him there and we talked to him

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and we said you have got to find out where the the number one diving

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professor for this college lives and you go to his fucking house and if you have

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to you shoot the locks off his door and you kick the fucking door in and you

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get in there and you drag his ass out of bed and you tell him we've got a man at

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245 feet he's been there 220 or possibly two hours and 30 minutes already in

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freezing cold water 40 whatever it was 40 41 degrees I think something like that

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Fahrenheit and we need tables we need fucking tables right now you got a

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extrapolated mount you know this is 1980 1980 computers were shit you know

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so we envisioned him sitting somewhere in the lunchroom with these slide rule

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you know trying to figure out where we're gonna stop this guy if assuming we

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can get him loose and get him coming up and so we did we got the guy the cops

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got in there somehow and they got this guy out of bed and he says okay I'm on

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it you know I this guy's gonna die but you know I'm fucking on this thing and

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I'm gonna give you I'm gonna give you some tables just stand by I got a pencil

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this shit out and so we're crashing crashing through the seas you know we're

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getting closer and closer to the to this wreck to the not the wreck well I

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actually it was a wreck on the bottom but to the salvage vessel that's anchored

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above the wreck okay and so we're getting closer and closer we're waiting

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for the tables we finally get there and we get tied up alongside this salvage

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vessel and we jump we leap onto the deck of the salvage vessel and one guy meets

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us and we we said what the fuck have you got here and he threw his hands in the

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air said beats the hell out of me and he turned around walked away and he went up

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into the wheelhouse and wedged himself in the corner and we never saw him again

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okay so we had to try to sort out what in the bloody hell was going on they had

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a shipping container on the stern of this boat that was their dive shack we

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went back there and found out that the comms to the diver were working and the

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compressor was still running we got our system plugged into their system so air

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was no longer an issue we could keep him down there for five fucking weeks you

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know at least breathing you know other things would kill him but at least we

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could keep him breathing and we started talking to him and we said I can't

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remember his name isn't that weird I can't remember his name

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Heavner Heavner Tom Heavner and we started talking to him he said hey you

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know you're how you doing you know just pretty much gibberish he would have a

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little few seconds of lucidity and that would fade away and he he knew he was in

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trouble he didn't know what the problem was he just kept saying he couldn't come

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up he didn't know why and we said okay you know have you tried inflating your

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suit yeah yeah tried that tried that you know on and on and on and he was pretty

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calm I got in there at one point and he and I told him who I was and we were

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doing the best for him and he said well you know please don't let me die and I

401
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:44,280
said no you're not gonna know no we got you we fucking got you you know I'm

402
00:38:44,280 --> 00:39:02,400
sorry I told him we got him well all these years and he said okay and so we

403
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,880
started working around trying to figure out what the hell we're gonna do and

404
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,480
what we had to do was send one of our guys down there to figure out where the

405
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,600
hell this guy's tangled up now we can't even talk to the rescue diver we know

406
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,600
what the hell there's no point even you know worrying about him because we can't

407
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,480
talk to him we can't ask him where are you you know we can't nothing we got no

408
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,500
comms to him we got nothing and we kind of once we heard how he had went down we

409
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:31,480
pretty much knew what had happened to him so we didn't spend a lot of time

410
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,680
worrying about him so first the first order of business is to get one of our

411
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:41,800
guys down there to the bottom at fucking 240 feet on air at you know by this time

412
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,600
it's one o'clock in the morning winds blowing there's a sea swell coming in

413
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:50,280
there are boats are starting to crash together a little bit you know and we

414
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,320
still got all those fucking helicopters everywhere and you know we're trying to

415
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,180
conduct business on the deck of this thing the goddamn helicopters come and

416
00:39:57,180 --> 00:40:01,340
hover 50 feet above us with their night suns on us they probably thought the

417
00:40:01,340 --> 00:40:05,000
night suns were helping us no the fucking weren't was the noise in the

418
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,880
wind we couldn't get anything done we're trying to wave them off and they

419
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:17,600
wouldn't go away and it was chaos it was chaos it was Dante's Inferno and finally

420
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,800
I got my guy suited up and I and I didn't like it I did I had an ugly

421
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,500
feeling about it I didn't like it I wasn't gonna fucking lose my guy but we

422
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:32,760
put him in the water and by now the current is running the current out there

423
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,920
I've got a picture of it running at 9.9 knots past a buoy this particular night I

424
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,280
think it was scheduled to run not so much you know probably four or five knots

425
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:51,480
it was a relatively light exchange and so we put my guy in the water a bunch of

426
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,000
safety lines and shit like that and he starts his way down and the water was

427
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,040
really clear and we put a bunch of lights on him so we could see him pretty

428
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,160
far down we could see him pretty clearly down to about 20 feet and he looked like

429
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,800
a fishing lure being trolled he was he was hanging on to the down line one of

430
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,880
the anchor lines of the of the big salvage boat he's hanging on to that

431
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:18,080
thing and he's trying to hand over hand to get down there to this other guy

432
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,880
trapped on the bottom and he got down 20 feet and he we could hear him through

433
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:30,400
our comms and we had big speakers out on our stern deck on the tug on the towing

434
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,760
deck and his breathing became so loud that it blew out one of the speakers and

435
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,960
I said that's it that's it you're done you're coming up and he said no no no I

436
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:44,120
think I can do this and it's no fuck that and he wouldn't let go we're trying

437
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:50,480
to pull him up by his safety line he wouldn't let go and I put about how many

438
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,160
guys we have out there I can't remember I put everybody I had on it to just

439
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,040
jerk him up just pull him up you know that's it you're done you didn't make it

440
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,720
sorry you're done and finally we broke him loose and got him back on deck and

441
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:11,720
he was alive okay that mission accomplished so at that point we're

442
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:18,880
trying to think what the hell what what else can we do at this point all we can

443
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:23,200
do is wait until the tide cycles and goes slack you know that we were looking

444
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:28,320
at about five hours until that happens when the tide goes slack maybe we can

445
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,640
get our guy down there is this guy gonna survive down there five five hours at 240

446
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:39,880
I don't know I mean in theory you know maybe he could except hypothermia would

447
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:45,520
get him and so at just about that time we heard back from Duke University and

448
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:52,160
the guy said okay stopping at 165 on his way up you know he's gonna stop at 165

449
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,920
feet and he's gonna be there for I can't remember it was some ridiculous amount

450
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,800
of time like two fucking days or something like that it was just insane

451
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,760
no it wasn't two days but it was it was quite a few hours he was gonna be stuck

452
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:13,400
at 165 doing decom and so we're thinking okay he's gonna die of hypothermia

453
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:19,120
I get confused because I'm easily confused these days anyway he's gonna

454
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:25,120
freeze to death okay so we get on the radio phone to an outfit in San

455
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,960
Francisco they had some hot water machines and suits all

456
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:36,560
rigged up for hot water and we got a helicopter on the way from San

457
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:43,160
Francisco Airport SFO to this company they were on the water not too far away

458
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,520
and they're gonna pick up all this equipment take it back to the airport

459
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:51,160
put it on a fucking jet and get it to us and you know probably three four four

460
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:56,720
probably like five hours they were gonna deliver it to the Coast Guard station

461
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:03,200
nearby the nearest one to us and then they were gonna put it on one of their

462
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,440
helicopters and bring it out and drop it down to us and and then we were gonna

463
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:13,040
go down to 165 where this guy is sitting shivering hopefully he's still shivering

464
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:18,960
and we're gonna go down there and cut off his existing suit and really quickly

465
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:25,640
put the hot water equipment on him and then thereby keep him alive for all the

466
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:30,200
decom stops he's got to come up and I wish I could remember what the total

467
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:36,560
time was for all these stops but it was humongous it was I can't remember

468
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:41,760
somebody can look these up maybe some computer can show these now but it was

469
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,200
so many hours that it was just absurd the whole thing was absurd but what do

470
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,360
you do you fucking try you do it you go through the motions one foot in front

471
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:54,400
of the other and sometimes you get lucky and that's what we were asking for from

472
00:44:54,400 --> 00:45:00,720
the great pumpkin okay so we got the shit on the way from San Francisco we

473
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:05,200
got our first stop 165 and this professor was gonna stay up all night

474
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:13,840
and and hold our hands you know and lead us through the stops and and try to get

475
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:23,480
him slowly up to the surface at this point the Coast Guard had one of their

476
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,320
rubber boats one of their zodiacs and they had it they had about five or six

477
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:34,920
Coast Guard guys in it and I had it mucking around downstream from us about

478
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:41,680
200 feet and they were looking for the body or any but we're looking at looking

479
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,200
for anything they did there you know I'd be happy to catch anything any

480
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,000
anything but they were primarily looking for this guy who the rescue diver who

481
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:55,520
went down in the scuba tank Jesus so they got their flashlights out there and

482
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,840
the helicopters hovered above them and they're looking around looking around

483
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:08,840
looking around for bodies or whatever they can find it you know and at about

484
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:13,120
that moment we're still talking to the to the to the hard hat diver down there

485
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:20,040
and we have a pneumo gauge which shows his depth accurately really accurate you

486
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:26,320
know to within like six inches and we've been talking to him at 240 or 245 or

487
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:34,560
whatever and we're telling him okay you know try this try that try to you know

488
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,840
hand-over-hand back up your your umbilicals you can figure out where

489
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:47,320
you're tangled and we're watching his pneumo gauge and it's coming up he's

490
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:55,200
coming up and if that holy shit he got loose he's coming up and we're watching

491
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,360
watching watching and pretty soon he's at zero he's at the surface and we're

492
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,520
talking to it and we're saying hey you're up you're on the surface and he

493
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,960
says yeah I know I know what what the hell I'm on the surface I don't know how

494
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,280
this happened but I'm on the surface okay and we're and so we're looking

495
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,880
around looking around trying to figure out where in the hell he is and then the

496
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,280
little rubber boat from the Coast Guard they come on the radio and they say hey

497
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:23,560
man hey hey hey hey we just got your rescue diver we just got the scuba guy

498
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:33,480
we just found him and we got him aboard our rubber boat and we thought well what

499
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,800
the hell well that's that's pretty fucking good coincidence you know what

500
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:43,000
the hard hat guy just got to the surface and they just found the the rescued

501
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,280
diver and they got him and they're there what in the hell the great pumpkin is

502
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,880
one cool son of a bitch you know thank you thank you

503
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:57,080
GP fucking hell you're that you're the best and so there and then and then we

504
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,920
hear this these clicks and clacks and wrestling and mumbled yelling through

505
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:08,320
through the diver through the hard hat divers comms and we're trying to figure

506
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,880
out what is all that noise why are we hearing yelling because he's bobbing

507
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,740
around somewhere waiting to be picked up who's yelling at him and why is he

508
00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:23,960
mumbling and what the fuck and we're not making sense of this at all and it

509
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:30,800
finally turns out that the Coast Guard and the little rubber boat had not found

510
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:39,240
the rescue diver at all they had found the hard hat diver they thought he was

511
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:43,560
the rescue diver because he had a bailout bottle on his back that looked

512
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:49,280
like a scuba bottle it didn't seem to phase him that he was in a hard hat and

513
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:55,620
not in scuba gear but that's the Coast Guard so they're talking we can hear

514
00:48:55,620 --> 00:48:59,360
them there their mic is getting keyed and they're yelling and they're cussing

515
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,160
back and forth and they're that hey do this do this and no get a hold of you

516
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:07,440
and we can also hear the same kinds of sounds coming through the divers calm

517
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:14,880
into the divers shack on the stern of the rescue vessel and we're thinking what

518
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:21,020
in the hell is going on and I finally realized that they had our hard hat

519
00:49:21,020 --> 00:49:29,320
diver he had somehow shot to the surface after I think we're by this time

520
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:35,360
probably pushing three hours at 240 245 250 let's say you know for the purposes

521
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:48,280
of decompression and he had shot to the surface and he had you know three or

522
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,760
four minutes to get into the decompression chamber we had one we had

523
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,720
it all pressured down ready for him waiting and I started yelling at the

524
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:05,320
Coast Guard over the radio to get this guy to us now I don't care what you have

525
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:10,920
to fucking do get him to us now he has probably if he's really lucky three

526
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:17,000
minutes to live get him to us and we got the chamber already we got guys standing

527
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:24,220
by the chamber we got everything ready and there we're watching them and

528
00:50:24,220 --> 00:50:27,480
they're not doing anything they're just wrestling around in their little river

529
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:34,480
boat and I'm yelling at them you know pretty emphatically you know stop your

530
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:39,800
fucking around get this guy to us and they said they came back and they said

531
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:46,400
well he's all tangled up in a bunch of shit bunch of lines and hoses and shit

532
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:51,680
like he's all tangled up and it's not your guy anyway it's it's the it's the

533
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:59,120
rescue diver and he's dead but we got this idea that the the rescue diver

534
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,040
being all tangled up in these hoses and shit that's preventing the hard hat guy

535
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:09,120
from making it to the surface and we said no no no no the hard hat guys

536
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:13,160
already in the fucking surface you got him in the boat and they said no no it's

537
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:19,600
the scuba guy it's the rescue driver no and he's you know the hard hat guy he's

538
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:24,920
gonna die if we don't untangle this this rescue diver it's all fucked up you know

539
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:36,680
and it's just absolute mayhem and they said we threw the rescue diver over the

540
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:47,600
side why well we were never clear they said they were hoping he would sink and

541
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:53,720
thereby free up get untangled from all these lines and shit and then the hard

542
00:51:53,720 --> 00:52:03,320
hat diver could come up and we said no no no this is not correct you get you

543
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:09,200
get that diver and you get him to us and if you can't do that for some reason you

544
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:19,040
do whatever you can do to get him back down to 165 and they're like no that no

545
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,720
you're misunderstanding the situation no that this is the rescue diver and they

546
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:29,760
know no no okay we argued about that quite a bit it turns out that the hard

547
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:41,520
hat diver his hose his umbilical had led straight from the supply boat

548
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:46,840
straight down vertically to the wreck and that's where it was tangled up and

549
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:55,000
then he had 200 or no another yeah another 200 feet of hose that led off

550
00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:02,360
horizontally along the bottom and so he could have come up at any time we don't

551
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:09,360
know why he didn't but at some point he decided to inflate his suit and he just

552
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:16,400
came up then he had he you know remember you had 200 feet of hose laying on the

553
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:24,160
bottom horizontally downstream from the wreck and so at an angle you know he

554
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,240
just came up to the surface

555
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:34,240
meanwhile the Coast Guard guys in the small boat they're still screaming about

556
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:41,000
this bizarre situation they thought they had where the rescue diver was dead and

557
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,960
he was preventing the hard hat diver from coming up and they threw him over

558
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,440
the side and they couldn't make him sink and they're and they're saying what the

559
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,680
hell what the hell can we do and and and then they announced that they had taken

560
00:53:53,680 --> 00:54:01,280
a knife and they had sliced open the dry suit of the diver that they thought

561
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:08,740
was the rescue diver but which in reality was the hard hat diver they

562
00:54:08,740 --> 00:54:14,180
sliced open his suit the suit was open I don't know probably 18 inches sliced

563
00:54:14,180 --> 00:54:20,760
open and of course then he sank and they couldn't get a hold of him again and

564
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:28,800
we're yelling at him I was I was yelling when yelling to try to figure out a way

565
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:34,360
to stop him at 165 because we can still hear him on his calm he's breathing and

566
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:44,280
he's mumbling at this point he's in it about five minutes about five minutes

567
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:49,880
from hitting the surface is when they finally sliced open his suit and he's on

568
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:55,560
his way down and we can hear him and he's mumbling and he's breathing and

569
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:00,440
we're watching his depth go down we're purging the pneumo and we're watching

570
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:10,320
his depth and he's going down you know 100 feet 150 like that and then right

571
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:17,180
around a depth of about 210 something like that before he hits the bottom he

572
00:55:17,180 --> 00:55:20,880
stops breathing we don't hear the breathing anymore and then just a few

573
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,440
seconds later we start hearing that clickety clickety clickety clickety

574
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:31,800
click that was his helmet clicking against the little stones and gravel on

575
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:40,720
the bottom of the ocean at this point he's dying or dead and there's nothing

576
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:46,040
gonna bring it back at this point at the time he stopped breathing we had it we

577
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:53,600
later timed it out stop watch it was a I believe it was seven minutes and 50

578
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,920
seconds I believe from the time he hit the surface until he stopped breathing

579
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:05,720
so this actually he survived you know longer than he should have at this point

580
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:09,560
we do we listen to the clicking and clacking for some number of minutes

581
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,760
while we had meetings and tried to figure out what was the best thing to do

582
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,660
the the rescue diver is gone he's fucking gone he's he's you know Canada

583
00:56:17,660 --> 00:56:24,680
by now we do who you know whatever this guy we know his comms haven't gone dead

584
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,640
because we're still hearing the clickety clacking so you know the fact that we're

585
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:33,760
that we're not hearing breathing means you know breathing if you're not breathing

586
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:42,640
for five minutes you know he's dead so we decide I had to decide something I

587
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:50,720
the current is still raging I can't send my guy down there again the salvage

588
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:56,600
vessel had I think three really big anchors set out in a triangle formation

589
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:02,920
one of them went directly to the wreck and that's the one that had been used as

590
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:08,480
the the down line to go down and actually find the wreck they had just

591
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,400
found the wreck and and on sonar and then said hit there it is X marks the spot

592
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,000
drop drop anchor number one and they did and it landed like on the deck of the

593
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:23,040
wreck so we had two other anchors to hold us in position even against this

594
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:36,200
current and so I had them pull the one anchor that was sitting on the wreck my

595
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:42,720
fear was that I would pull that anchor and maybe his umbilical was tangled in

596
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,680
the anchor and also tangled in another thing on the wreck and by pulling that

597
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,800
anchor I was gonna sever that umbilical and we would never even find his body

598
00:57:51,800 --> 00:58:01,040
either but I I did it that was my one of those decisions you just don't want to

599
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,800
do and I did it you know what are you gonna lose you're not gonna lose the

600
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,160
guy's life you're gonna lose his body you know it'd be a terrible thing but

601
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:15,000
you know I did it and we pulled that anchor up and I was a huge anchor I

602
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,800
can't remember probably several thousand pounds I don't know and when the anchor

603
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:24,000
came aboard there was his umbilical wrapped around and around and around

604
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,600
that anchor I don't know how many times 15 times probably and he had succumbed

605
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:37,320
to what a lot of guys succumb to he had gone down on this huge anchor cable at

606
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:43,440
slack tide and as he was going down you have a subconscious Tennessee to follow

607
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:52,480
the lay of the cable of the of the of the wire it's a spiral you know a bunch

608
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:57,840
of little wires making up the cable itself and they're in a spiral

609
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:05,000
configuration and subconsciously you have a tendency to you know follow that

610
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:10,600
spiral and so slowly all the way on his way down there he had wound himself

611
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:15,740
around and around and around the down cable and then when he got down to the

612
00:59:15,740 --> 00:59:22,840
bottom the current had swept him off of the wreck and little by little by little

613
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:29,560
even though that cable was wrapped around and around the anchor it had been

614
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:39,280
pulled down current until he was 200 feet down current from the anchor on the

615
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:51,320
end of his umbilical so when I pulled the anchor that knot came up and then a

616
00:59:51,320 --> 01:00:02,280
few minutes later he came up but he's 200 feet downstream by this time the

617
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:07,640
Coast Guard is completely flummoxed they don't know what in the f and hell they

618
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:12,760
are even doing and I called him in the small boat and said look our guy is up

619
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:17,520
we can see on his pneumo he's up he's on the surface again he is somewhere it is

620
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:23,880
not the fucking rescue diver it is our hard hat diver go fucking find him and

621
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,520
they're they're mucking around they're going left and right and north and south

622
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,160
and east and west and the helicopter flying around how they didn't even

623
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:36,440
fucking run into each other so much air traffic up there and shit boats

624
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:40,280
zooming this way and that way it's a wonder none of them ran over his fucking

625
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:47,960
umbilical which which now goes from the support vessel you know more or less

626
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:53,880
along the surface to the point 200 feet downstream where the diver is he's kind

627
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:59,560
of neutrally buoyant down there because he's his suit has been sliced open and

628
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,400
he's pretty heavily weighted you know we wore a lot of weight to work on the

629
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:08,360
bottom not like a scuba diver were there neutral we wore a lot of weight my guy

630
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:14,720
normally wore you know like I think he wore 90 pounds I wore 60 okay scuba

631
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:20,040
diver normally is gonna wear you know 30 35 25 30 35 something like that anyway

632
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,480
so he's barely barely floating out there but the current is keeping him up you

633
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,120
know close to the surface well the Coast Guard couldn't find him they couldn't

634
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:33,200
fucking find him and so I put everybody on his umbilical and we just started

635
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:41,640
hand over hand pulling that umbilical up to the stern of the the support vessel

636
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:46,640
and we finally got him you know it's like reeling in a fish and we had all

637
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:52,320
our lights back there so he's he's really you know bright and easy to spot

638
01:01:52,320 --> 01:02:02,320
and so he's you know three feet off of the stern of this boat we had to pull

639
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:08,240
him up and over the rail to get him onto the deck of the support vessel and that

640
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:13,320
was a high thing I'm thinking that was like nine feet off the water nine feet

641
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:17,000
of freeboard something like that pretty high and he had to come up and over that

642
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,480
rail with all of his weights on everything and then he was a hefty dude

643
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:27,360
you know I knew him by reputation I'd seen him around you know he never

644
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:31,840
impressed me very much but you know he wasn't a bad guy you were just a guy I

645
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:44,400
was a good guy and I remember the crew they're hanging over the railing with

646
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:50,080
other guys hanging on to them so they don't fall in and they're trying to get

647
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:54,320
a hold of this dead guy and then they get a hold of him and they're trying to

648
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:58,480
get him up the nine feet or whatever the hell it was over the rail and I

649
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:07,120
remember that they were pissed off they were it was such grueling hard work that

650
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:18,880
they were pissed off it was it was just an otherworldly level of hard and later

651
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,560
they said they really felt bad because they were so pissed off but they couldn't

652
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:26,240
be pissed off at that guy it wasn't his fault and he was dead anyway so but they

653
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:36,080
were so hard and anyway they got him over laid him out on the deck and I was

654
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:43,880
standing there looking at him and I had a really surreal moment he's laying there

655
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:56,360
on his back he's wearing exactly precisely the gear that I wear exactly

656
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:03,320
and precisely down to the manufacturer the brand of the suit the boots no fins

657
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:10,680
the bailout bottle the same hard hat actually was a curvy Morgan it was a

658
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:27,840
band mask and for a moment I went a little weird I thought for a moment that

659
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:34,600
was me and I'm dead and I'm floating and I'm looking at myself thinking oh fuck

660
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:39,960
how did I do this I finally fucked up I finally screwed the pooch didn't I and

661
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:45,960
I'm like floating and I remember you know I'm six something foot tall and I

662
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:50,120
remember being higher than that you know like seven or eight feet and looking

663
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:58,840
down on me laying there and I felt really sad I thought god damn it how the

664
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:05,480
hell did I do this and then I kind of snapped back to reality and realized no

665
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:11,800
holy shit oh Jesus Christ not me it's a other guy so anyway we we pulled off

666
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:17,040
his hat his face mask and you know we knew what it was gonna be anyway it was

667
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:22,160
explosive bins and I'm not gonna go into the grisly details of what he looked

668
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:30,000
like but it wasn't nice and so we we dragged him off in the corner and then

669
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,840
we reeled in all the gear all the anchors all the gear piled everything up

670
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:46,040
and set off to town and that was uneventful we got to town and tied

671
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:53,360
everything up to the dock and the who was it the was the coroner sheriff I

672
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:57,520
don't know exactly what agency came down but they came down they examined him and

673
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:03,920
collected him and put him on a gurney and they're rolling him up the dock and

674
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:10,440
then of course you know they dropped him they dropped him off the dock and we had

675
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:17,520
to go get his body again so we did and they took him off to the hospital I said

676
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,040
well I don't know the hospital I don't know where they took him I don't know

677
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:24,080
where you maybe just went straight to the morgue I don't know anyway they took

678
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:32,400
him away and then we were just left you know with our thoughts and we all went

679
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:38,720
home and didn't really talk for a few days and I didn't have to tell my wife

680
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:47,640
she had heard it all on the radio and really weird we had we had a weird

681
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,960
understanding she didn't ask and I didn't tell and I just got in bed and

682
01:06:51,960 --> 01:07:04,160
went to sleep slip well I don't know why I would somewhat weird after that and I

683
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,320
continued on with the company for a while another I can't remember another

684
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:11,760
year or two something I can't remember it did some more work in it but my heart

685
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:16,160
was not in it I started not answering my pages you know we didn't have cell

686
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:22,640
phones in those days I just you know that I just didn't answer anymore I just

687
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:29,480
I just I wanted to be somewhere else and I ended up selling the business to one

688
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:35,520
of the divers one of my divers and that turned into another fiasco that I won't

689
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:45,440
even go into here just just just just a soul cracking disaster but anyway that

690
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:52,680
that's a whole nother story I stayed weird after that for quite a while I

691
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:59,520
knew that I could have saved him and I to this day I believe I could have if

692
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:05,540
people would have fucking listened to me no you do not have the rescue diver you

693
01:08:05,540 --> 01:08:09,120
have the hard hat diver getting to the fucking chamber right fucking now you

694
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:14,800
stupid fucking imbeciles you know that was my attitude I never did swear over

695
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:19,240
the radio official business I never did one time in my life I came close to it

696
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:34,080
that night I still didn't do it but I wanted to so I just went weird I knew I

697
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:38,640
could I knew I had a really really really good shot at saving him you know

698
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:42,920
maybe the maybe the physics would have killed him maybe if I had done everything

699
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:49,400
exactly precisely correctly the physics the physiology still would have killed

700
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:54,960
him I don't know you know that somebody somewhere can answer that I don't know

701
01:08:54,960 --> 01:09:02,840
that any divers ever been in an exposure that that great I never heard of it you

702
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:10,600
know probably looking at three hours at two let's say 250 breathe an air and not

703
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:17,240
very good here at that and cold he only had a dry suit leaky dry suit you know

704
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:25,120
no hot water no nothing okay so I went weird for a long time because I knew

705
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:30,160
that I could have saved him it's pretty sure I could have if I would have gotten

706
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:34,040
him into the chamber and he died then I would have thought well okay that's God

707
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,800
that's a great pumpkin for you that fucking asshole killed him anyway

708
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:42,240
despite my best efforts but at least I got him that far you know I did my

709
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,840
fucking job okay that that would have been my attitude had that happened and I

710
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,800
wouldn't have felt I would have been sad but I wouldn't felt bad and I wouldn't

711
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:56,160
have felt guilty and that's the operative word here I felt guilty for

712
01:09:56,160 --> 01:10:06,640
years and years okay that's not the end of the story I wish it was here's where

713
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:19,520
we come to the possibility of quantum physics and where it might possibly merge

714
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:30,480
the lines between the living and the dead and I do not know during those just

715
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:36,880
after this happened I'll just fill this part in the coast or the the corner in

716
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:42,640
the big city had scheduled an inquiry is it an inquiry or an inquest I can't

717
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:49,840
remember anyway they scheduled one and I wanted us to go there and tell what

718
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:56,320
happened and they refused to let us and I asked again and again and again

719
01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:00,960
firmly by registered mail and they refused and by my attorney and they

720
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:11,720
refused your presence is not needed okay so we never did go to that thing I did

721
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:23,360
get a transcript of it the whole thing was like a panel of Democrats questioning

722
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:29,480
Joe Biden about Hunter okay that's what it was like it was it was just softball

723
01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:36,640
fluffy shit and the Coast Guard answered simply and curtly and nothing was their

724
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:43,280
fault and they did nothing wrong and we were never mentioned and was ruled

725
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:48,760
accidental and that was that okay I went down the morning after this happened I

726
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:55,480
went down to the Coast Guard station and the Coast Guard maintains a whole huge

727
01:11:55,480 --> 01:12:02,880
audio room that keeps tapes of every conversation over every official

728
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:08,600
frequency 24-7 and they've got a whole bunch of antenna antennas all around

729
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:13,160
that region for all the frequencies that they might possibly ever talk on and I

730
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:17,320
had done this quite a few times in big cases you go down there and you pay them

731
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:21,200
a sum I don't remember how much you know a hundred bucks whatever the hell it was

732
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:25,200
hundred couple hundred I don't know and you go into in the in the recorder room

733
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:29,480
and there's a whole shitload of recorders in there big honking commercial

734
01:12:29,480 --> 01:12:34,600
things and you a technician goes with you and you tell him okay I want antenna

735
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:39,600
site number such-and-such located here and I want everything between you know

736
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:46,180
whatever 2200 and 400 let's say whatever and he plugs in the recorder that you

737
01:12:46,180 --> 01:12:55,560
have brought and he zips off that track and you get to save it you know in case

738
01:12:55,560 --> 01:13:01,480
you ever need it for court or something or whatever doesn't matter and then you

739
01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:05,920
say okay I want everything from antenna site number 9 and you go through that in

740
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:10,560
this case there were probably about eight different antenna sites that would

741
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:14,640
have picked this up all all of it all Trent all transmissions crystal clear

742
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:22,240
crystal clear one of them was only like seven eight miles away and he started

743
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:27,520
going through and I had done this many times and I had always gotten crystal

744
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:34,620
clear pristine beautiful recordings everything I ever wanted and this time

745
01:13:34,620 --> 01:13:37,800
as we start going through that the technicians is what the hell what the

746
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:43,880
hell what's going on the first track that I requested it's gone it was blank

747
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:49,520
just light static and I thought well that's really screwed up what the hell

748
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,160
would cause that I never seen that before and I said okay antenna site

749
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,520
number of blah blah blah and he went to that one

750
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:59,200
nope it's blank and he went to the next one and the next one and we went through

751
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:08,000
every single antenna site like that and every single one of them was blank blank

752
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:13,600
this was the morning after so it so we got in that you know probably 0400 0500

753
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:19,800
from you know getting the dead guy and then I was at the coast guard station

754
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:25,400
that 0800 0900 the next morning requesting this stuff and by the time I

755
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:35,680
got there every track on every machine had been wiped clean that is the fucking

756
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:43,800
fact of it okay when we're just about to give up the technician said well he's a

757
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:48,320
fuck we're fucked nothing we can't I got nothing I got nothing to give you I've

758
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,280
sitting there scratching my chin and I said wait a minute wait a minute other

759
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:56,520
there's one site it's quite a ways up north that every once in a while when we

760
01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:01,000
couldn't transmit through any other site we could transmit through that one

761
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:07,120
although we shouldn't have been able to and I said hey what the hell just for

762
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:12,160
the just on a lark check this site number such-and-such and he saw there's

763
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,400
not gonna be anything up there I was too far away that check it and he did and

764
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:23,760
the entire operation was recorded on that track it was a teensy bit scratchy

765
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:28,040
but it was all there it was all perfectly legible it was all perfectly

766
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:34,880
transcribable it was all there and I got it all and I then I zapped it onto my

767
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:43,640
recorder and I said thank you very much and I went home I then since that was

768
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:49,320
such an important tape I then went and paid a professional duplication service

769
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:56,080
to make two copies two pristine copies of that tape and I got them and they

770
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:01,600
were clear and they were complete and I took them home to my office and I put

771
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:08,160
one of them in one place on a shelf above my desk and I put the other two

772
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:14,000
together in a different place on a shelf above my desk and they sat there for

773
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:22,320
some number of months I had intended to take them to the inquiry slash inquest

774
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:29,520
whatever the hell but we were never allowed to go there as I said some

775
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:36,320
months later quite a few four five six months later I got a communication from

776
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:44,800
my maritime attorney who was a probably the biggest maritime attorney in that

777
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:51,160
city at that time probably still are I don't know they took up an entire floor

778
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:55,960
just the maritime division took up an entire floor of a skyscraper in that

779
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,800
city and I used them quite a few times they were really quite good really

780
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:05,120
expensive but really good and they got us a lot of big-money awards and they

781
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:11,360
were they were really clever and really good at their jobs I didn't like them

782
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:15,640
personally but who cares they're attorneys nobody likes a fucking

783
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:20,760
attorney no I liked one I like my first amendment attorney she's the only one

784
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:28,120
all the rest of them can eat shit and die you know like Anton Anfalev from

785
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:32,280
previous tapes you know I want to beat him all to death with a ping-pong battle

786
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:41,320
and I won't use the edge okay so I got a communication from this law office and

787
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:48,320
they said hey hey we we got a deal going on here that's really weird but you know

788
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,880
you're kind of sort of involved don't worry you know it's not a problem for you

789
01:17:51,880 --> 01:18:00,200
but hey we got this client and he's got some kind of problem going on with you

790
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:04,840
know like the Coast Guard or something like that yeah the Coast Guard yeah and

791
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,640
it doesn't involve you in any way but you know he's got this problem going on

792
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:16,920
and we're we heard that you had a tape of that whole incident you know out

793
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:27,560
there with with the two divers and I said yeah yeah I do and they said well

794
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:37,280
we'd like a copy of it and I said no no no no no no for what and I said well you

795
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:40,280
know come on we do a lot of work for you and you know we know we cut you a break

796
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:46,680
sometime and this will really it's really gonna help out our client because the

797
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:50,160
Coast Guard's given him a really hard time and he's pretty sure this tape is

798
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:55,240
gonna gonna you know win the case or win the day or whatever the fuck for him you

799
01:18:55,240 --> 01:19:01,360
know he got he really wants his tape and I just kept saying no no no no and they

800
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:05,800
said okay well we'll pay you you know we'll pay you and finally I said okay on

801
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:10,680
one condition I will put this into a briefcase I'm gonna handcuff it to a

802
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,840
motherfucking courier and I'm gonna I know put him in a seaplane I'll send you

803
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:20,000
down to your office and you're gonna sign for it and then you know you

804
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:30,560
whatever you make it a copy or whatever and and then you send it back and actually

805
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:37,200
I screwed up the story a little bit I said that I had put the original yeah

806
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:41,240
I'm sorry I said that I had put the original one place on a shelf above my

807
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:45,680
above my desk and the other two copies were at another place okay the other two

808
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:50,000
copies disappeared over these months this interim before I heard from my

809
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:55,520
attorney the other two copies vanished and I to this day I don't have any clue

810
01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:00,040
how or why they could have in those days we didn't lock anything we didn't lock

811
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:04,840
office door anything nothing else ever turned up missing only those two tapes

812
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:09,200
so at this point at the by the time the attorneys got a hold of me I was down to

813
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:14,840
this one copy I had not had time or whatever to to make new copies from this

814
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:22,400
one last original tape okay that's sorry about that and so I so I was really

815
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:26,400
worried about the the integrity of this tape and I said you know okay we're

816
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,640
gonna do the courier thing you're gonna pay for it you're gonna pay everything

817
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:32,800
and they said yeah yeah yeah man no problem you send it down today really

818
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:36,120
you know that we want it same day delivery yeah okay and so I did it I

819
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:39,360
put it in a briefcase and we got a courier in there and fucking handcuffed

820
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,000
it to him and put him on a seaplane and he went down there and delivered it and

821
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:46,640
I thought okay then I did my my good deed you know and now those guys are

822
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:55,000
gonna like me and cut me a deal next time we need them okay and I never heard

823
01:20:55,000 --> 01:21:02,120
from him again and after about four or five months well I started asking for

824
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,360
the tape back and and didn't get any answer nothing nothing nothing silence

825
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:09,560
and finally I got insistent registered mail all that shit I said I want the

826
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:14,680
tape back I want it now and they said well over there what tape would that be

827
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:20,480
and I said you know the one that we sent to you in a career with a career that

828
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:25,280
you fucking signed for oh no we never received any tip you got proof of that

829
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:29,960
and I did I had the whole courier documentation I sent him that and I said

830
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,720
oh we don't we don't know I mean what the hell we we can't read the signature

831
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,360
we don't know who you know maybe took it to the wrong office or something like

832
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:42,480
that okay that tape disappeared gone into the corn never saw it again all

833
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:52,480
evidence gone for ever I did go to the widow of the hardhat dagger and explained

834
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:56,720
to her I started to explain to her she had a friend to come over for an eat for

835
01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:02,280
the evening and we sat in the kitchen and I tried to explain the entire case

836
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:05,800
to him and I got about halfway through it I got to the point where it was

837
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:13,120
really looking bad for her husband and I you know I mean I knew she had one hell

838
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:17,200
of a lawsuit there probably would have set her up for the rest of her life and

839
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:22,520
I wanted to get across to her you know that we were there we would all testify

840
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:28,440
tape was gone but we would testify all of us and we made really really good

841
01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:34,240
witnesses about halfway through it when it got ugly the she started crying and I

842
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:40,360
stopped and she said something to her friend and Fred said okay that's it we're

843
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:44,960
cutting it off we're done we're not going to talk anymore and I you know

844
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:52,400
very very gently I mean I'm you know very very cognizant of her grief and I

845
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,040
and I was talking to the friend and I said geez you know I know this is

846
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:58,920
terrible okay she doesn't want to hear it right now you and me we go outside I

847
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:02,720
tell you the rest of the story because this is fucking important to you and

848
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:07,400
your her family and her kids and everything it's a fucking important and

849
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:13,480
he said no he got really really angry and really rough and crude about it and

850
01:23:13,480 --> 01:23:17,960
he just said that's it we're done we're not gonna talk to you at all period

851
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:20,840
we're done we don't want to hear from you again they think yeah you know you

852
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:27,120
can say get out but that was his attitude and I and I left and a couple

853
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:30,920
of times over the next six months I wrote to him a couple of times and said

854
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:35,040
hey you know really we need to finish this conversation it's really that

855
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:38,680
important I understand you don't want to hear the bad parts okay let me tell

856
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:45,320
somebody else you know something to come on and they never would reply so that

857
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:52,920
was the end of that that was the end of that side of this whole case okay done

858
01:23:52,920 --> 01:24:03,160
deal fast forward 20 let's see how many years this would have been 80 yeah 20

859
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:11,960
years fast forward 20 years I retired out of that business sold it and to to

860
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:17,000
man that I can say that I ended up considering I first considered him to be

861
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:23,840
a really good guy and then I considered him to be a really stupid fucking moron

862
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:30,200
but anyway that's a whole other story and I retired out of it and and I

863
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:37,080
continued to stay weird because I felt so incredibly guilty that I had not done

864
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:43,960
I didn't know what I could have done to circumvent the Coast Guard and make him

865
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:50,400
listen to me and what the fuck I never figured out any single thing that I

866
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:54,240
could have done to make this come out differently but the fact was I was in

867
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:59,680
charge of it and I and somehow I should have I should have that was my fucking

868
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:04,560
job that was my calling in life that's what I did I saved people and I saved

869
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:09,640
boats that's what I fucking did the one I when I finally get out of it my count

870
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:16,480
was 321 rescues 131 Rex raised 321 rescues never killed anybody sometimes

871
01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:20,160
when we got there they were dead you know but I never killed anybody I was

872
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:24,080
never even remotely vaguely responsible for killing anybody I did my fucking job

873
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:31,520
and I did it well but this guy didn't so anyway as I said fast forward 20 years I

874
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:35,000
stayed in that area for quite a while I mucked around I had a bunch of other

875
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:39,120
boats and had some sailboats and I sailed back and forth to Alaska and I

876
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:47,440
did shit like that I made a trip and this guy this whole event in this guy

877
01:25:47,440 --> 01:25:52,080
you know they're way back in the shadows of my memory I still feel bad and I

878
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,840
still felt guilty and you know it was one of those things that just haunts you

879
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:59,240
in the back of your brain you don't think about it every day or every month

880
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:02,720
or you know I probably was at the point where I thought about it once or twice a

881
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:07,160
year you know but it was still there it didn't go away and so I took a trip alone

882
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:10,680
in a sailboat I can't remember where I went it did not very far a few hundred

883
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:16,440
miles and I'd mucked around did whatever the hell oh I was I was working as a

884
01:26:16,440 --> 01:26:23,240
as a diver I was working as a diver in another city and I would go up there for

885
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:26,880
like a week on and a week off that's what it was and so I had I had gone up

886
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:30,640
there for a week I was done for that week and I was coming back to my

887
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:36,400
anchorage I was alone on the sailboat I'm just putting us on autopilot and I'm

888
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:40,000
just putting putting putting across the ocean you know it's long long long

889
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:50,640
crossing and not thinking about anything at all and I'm in the cockpit and it's a

890
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:59,520
warmish day in shirt sleeves no wind particularly running on the engine and

891
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:12,160
something overcame me never had before in my life never has again the closest

892
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:15,200
thing that ever came to it was when I was looking at the diver on the deck

893
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:20,280
there and and I and I got to turn weird for a minute thought it was me okay

894
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:25,400
that's the closest weird experience I ever had anyway I'm in the sailboat I'm

895
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,520
in the cockpit going along it's on autopilot just sitting there looking at

896
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:33,480
the seagull shitting on my rail whatever you know and something overcame me it

897
01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:39,520
just it just it came on from zero to full strength in about three or four

898
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:44,880
seconds five seconds and I didn't know what the hell it was I thought oh holy

899
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,480
shit it's some kind of a stroke it's some kind of a fucking aneurysm it's

900
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:53,640
some kind of bullshit fucking thing and you know if the boat stays on autopilot

901
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:58,560
and I don't change a course it's gonna run into that land over there in about

902
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:02,280
an hour and I thought oh man this is really gonna suck I'm gonna die right

903
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:08,320
here in the cockpit from whatever shit-ass goddamn unknown thing and I'll

904
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:12,360
just you know slump down on the cockpit and then you know some days or weeks

905
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:16,680
from now they're gonna find the the sailboat run up on the beach and they're

906
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:20,360
and they're gonna think oh the stupid fucking asshole he fell asleep you know

907
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:23,760
or something like that and I thought my god that's embarrassing that's it's

908
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:30,320
really sucks but this thing whatever it was it it overcame me it overwhelmed me

909
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:45,400
and I felt kind of tingly and otherworldly like something and it was so

910
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:51,600
strong that I stood up in the cockpit it was it was perfectly calm so I there's

911
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:57,320
no boat motion I just stood up and I'm trying to figure out what in the hell is

912
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:01,440
going on I mean how many seconds is it gonna be of this bullshit before death

913
01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:09,400
comes along you know I hope it's soon because this wasn't very much fun and I

914
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:16,280
then couldn't see if I could see anything it was like looking through a

915
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:24,480
veil or some kind of mesh or something I couldn't I'm sort of vaguely aware of my

916
01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:29,280
surroundings but I couldn't really see it I don't think I heard anything I

917
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:40,480
couldn't hear the engine anymore and my sense was that some sort of force came

918
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:53,560
up to the boat from some place in the water and it like came on to the boat

919
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:58,880
and came into my brain or came into my soul or some dumbass thing I am not who

920
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:08,320
who I swear to God I'm not but that was a woo-woo moment only one really this

921
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:14,680
presence whatever I could sense its personality and the presence was a

922
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:21,040
smart ass it was kind of a smart ass punk presence kind of loud kind of

923
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:32,280
abrasive kind of in your face not really a pleasant countenance and it came into

924
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:43,000
my brain or my soul or both and it and I started talking and I said hey I realize

925
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:48,480
that you feel really shitty about what happened to me and you think it's your

926
01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:57,040
fault and I'm just here I'm just gonna tell you it wasn't but if you want to

927
01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:05,320
keep thinking it's your fault you can asshole up to you and you know right now

928
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:11,960
I kind of busy I got a party to go to and then I realized when he said that I

929
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:17,960
realized I could hear very distantly vaguely I could hear like laughter and

930
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:24,320
some low music and some clinking of glasses and I could see or sense an

931
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:29,560
environment of some kind of a room where there's men and women and they're

932
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:34,320
drinking a little bit nothing nothing body just they're just having a little

933
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:37,040
party they're having a party and everybody's happy and they're laughing

934
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:41,320
and everybody's had a couple of drinks and so they feel good they're not drunk

935
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:45,320
but they that's what it was that's what the environment was that I felt and I

936
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:51,440
sensed and he said this he said you know you could do whatever the fuck you want

937
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:57,160
I don't care you want to feel guilty feel guilty and then he said very

938
01:31:57,160 --> 01:32:03,200
clearly asshole and I thought and I knew who it was you know after a minute I

939
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:11,240
knew who that fuck it was it was that it was the hard head typhoon and he said

940
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:19,600
I'm going you know fuck off and stop thinking about me because it's annoying

941
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:28,520
and I thought well you fucking dickhead you fuck you and it took me another

942
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:38,840
couple of minutes to really come back to my senses and then I felt okay except

943
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:46,840
that I felt drained and it was crystal clear to me it was crystal that was that

944
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:53,920
was more than 20 years ago that that happened and I still remember it like

945
01:32:53,920 --> 01:33:06,320
like it's a goddamn video in my brain and 90% of my guilt within six or 12 or

946
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:17,200
maybe 24 hours was gone gone gone evaporated and I and it never came back

947
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:26,480
I never felt it again and I wonder

948
01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:38,720
could that have been a crossover a crossover between the real life here and

949
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:53,440
now and the afterlife via the conduit of quantum physics maybe the wall between

950
01:33:53,440 --> 01:34:08,880
life and death is just a thin and porous membrane that can be expressed

951
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:19,440
mathematically as a real and tangible thing okay the point is when we read

952
01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:26,320
these when you go through these alien reports quite a few of them morph into

953
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:31,920
the murkiness of something like that there be cases where people say yeah man

954
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:36,680
that guy was out there you know going to the bathroom and the aliens came down

955
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:40,720
and they invited me on the ship and going in there and I see the aliens you

956
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:45,040
know and and they're doing this and they're doing that and it and what the

957
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:55,440
fuck do I see I see dead uncle Bob and I always took those and deleted them and

958
01:34:55,440 --> 01:35:04,000
now as I get more and more into quantum physics I I wonder I wonder about more

959
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:12,560
things than I've ever wondered about in my entire life and the next time we're

960
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:17,920
going through these reports and we run into those we're gonna take a harder

961
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:28,040
look at them Joe Rogan has I don't know how many podcasts he's done about the

962
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:33,280
subject he had one guy on there recently who explained it quantum physics in a

963
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:40,680
way that even my tiny sheep's brain kind of sort of understood for a few seconds

964
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:46,400
and then and then it flew away you know like a like a bad bird I had it I grasped

965
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:52,800
it you know for a few minutes and then I went bye bye bye bye I felt like I

966
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:59,560
understood it for a few seconds you know this guy understands it you know 24-7 I

967
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:07,680
don't because my my brain is you know six sizes too small anyway okay that's

968
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:15,880
my story it's true absolutely true absolutely horrific wish I could have

969
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:25,600
saved him but I sort of I sort of feel now

970
01:36:26,480 --> 01:36:31,760
beginning at that at that encounter I feel like maybe he doesn't really wish it

971
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:48,800
all that much he said he's happy and I thought wow the hell's going on here okay

972
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:55,000
thank you very much and good evening

973
01:36:55,000 --> 01:37:01,040
and good night